Listen now (33 mins) | Having posted over 25 related climate and health-related interviews over the past several years, podcast listeners are aware that the healthcare industry effectively exists in a harm-treat-harm cycle where providers cause patients harm via their greenhouse gas (GHG) pollution - that requires treatment causing providers to emit more harmful GHG pollution added - that leads to more patent harm - that leads to . . . . In September I posted an article that appeared in Health Affairs in which I argued CMS design a Medicare Part A hospital Value Based Payment program and a similar program under Medicare’s Part B physician Quality Payment Program that financially incent healthcare providers to reduce their GHG emissions. Doing so, I argued, would measurably lower Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries burden of disease, improve their care outcomes and safety, advance health equity, improve the industry’s financial sustainability and help heal the planet. Reforming insurance payments is also the interest of the Dutch healthcare policy researcher, Dr. Jeroen Struijs, who is presently in the US working with Harvard faculty to identify insurance value based purchasing methods that can incent the health care industry to reduce its GHG pollution.